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Overlay or Strip and Replace? How the Decision Gets Made

An overlay is quicker, cleaner and less disruptive, and on a minority of roofs it is genuinely the right call. This is how that minority is identified, and what you give up on every roof outside it.

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The short version
  • An overlay bonds the new covering to the old one, so the old one becomes part of the build-up rather than being taken away
  • It needs the existing covering firmly stuck down throughout, dry, over falls that work and a deck that is sound — all four at once
  • Every extra layer raises the roof surface, which eats into upstand heights and changes what the trims have to do
  • What an overlay really costs is information: nobody looks at the deck or the joist ends, and the next contractor inherits the uncertainty

What an Overlay Actually Is

An overlay means leaving the existing covering where it is and bonding the new membrane on top of it, with the old surface prepared, cleaned and made good first. The old covering is not being ignored; it is being promoted to a layer of the new roof. That is the whole idea in a sentence, and it is also the source of every question worth asking about it.

The attraction is obvious and it is not dishonest. Nothing is ripped off, so there is no skip of wet felt and rotten board, no open roof waiting on the weather, and no day where the room below has nothing but a tarpaulin over it. The work is shorter, the mess is less, and the building is never exposed. On a roof that deserves one, an overlay is a proportionate answer rather than a short cut.

The difficulty is that the conditions which make it proportionate are specific, they have to hold everywhere on the roof rather than in the parts that are easy to look at, and an overlay is the one operation that permanently removes the chance of checking. Once the new sheet is down, whatever was underneath is sealed in and will not be seen again until the next time the roof is opened.

The EPDM sheet rolled out flat across the deck and left to relax before it is bonded

Photograph of our own work.

The Conditions, and Why They Have to Hold All at Once

The first is adhesion. The existing covering has to be firmly attached across the whole area, because the new membrane is being bonded to it and can be no more secure than the thing it is stuck to. Anything blistered, lifting at a joint, loose underfoot or sounding hollow is not a base. A single loose area is not a local problem either — wind that gets under the old layer takes the new one with it.

The second is moisture. Whatever water is in the build-up on the day of the work stays in it. A membrane is a vapour barrier, so an overlay over damp insulation or a damp deck removes the only route that moisture had for drying out, and traps it against timber for the rest of the roof’s working life. On a cold deck with insulation between the joists, that consideration matters more than anything else on this page.

The third is drainage, and the fourth is the structure. A roof that ponds will pond identically afterwards, because an overlay reproduces the existing profile exactly and adds a millimetre or two to it. And a deck that has softened anywhere is not made firmer by another covering; it simply carries the new one down with it when it finally gives.

The Checks Worth Insisting On Before Anybody Commits

A proper assessment involves opening the roof in a small way rather than looking at it. A neat cut through the existing covering in a couple of places — at the lowest point, near the wall junction, and anywhere the ceiling below has a history — shows the state of the layers, whether the insulation is dry, what the deck is made of and whether it is still sound. The openings are made good afterwards. It takes a fraction of the time a strip does and it settles the argument.

The rest is done from underneath and from the edges. The underside of a garage deck is open to view. A void hatch takes a torch. The fascia and soffit line, sighted along from the garden, says whether the structure has moved. The ceiling below says whether water has been arriving, and for how long. None of that requires anybody to stand on a roof whose condition is precisely the thing in question.

The answer you are listening for is a specific one. “It looks all right from up here” is not an assessment. “We cut through in three places, the deck is dry ply in all of them, the falls run to the outlet and the covering is bonded everywhere we tested” is. If nobody will open it, the honest position is that nobody knows, and the quotation should say so in those words.

Old Bitumen, Adhesives and Separating Layers

Materials have opinions about each other. Bitumen and some of the adhesives and membranes used on modern flat roofs do not sit happily together, and where a rubber sheet is going over an old bituminous surface the system may call for a separating layer, a particular primer, or a mechanically fixed board over the top of the old covering before anything is bonded. That is a question about the specific system rather than a general rule, and it is answered by the manufacturer’s own instructions for that product.

This is a reasonable thing to ask a contractor directly: which system is being used, and what does its literature say about bonding it over existing bitumen? A firm working to a named system will answer without hesitating. An answer along the lines of it being fine because it always is should slow the conversation down.

Surface preparation belongs in the same paragraph. Moss, lichen, algae, loose mineral, old repair patches, standing dirt and anything left over from a previous coating all have to come off, and the surface has to be dry when adhesive goes on it. An overlay bonded to a layer of dead moss is bonded to nothing.

Height, Trims and the Details an Overlay Cannot Avoid

Every layer left in place and every layer added raises the finished surface, and the details around the perimeter are all measured from that surface. An upstand that was already a little short becomes shorter. The gap under a door threshold or a window cill narrows. The gutter sits a fraction lower in relation to the edge. On most roofs a single overlay absorbs that easily; on a roof already carrying two or three old layers it does not, and that is one of the ways a roof runs out of overlays.

The edge details do not get overlaid in any case. Trims come off and new ones go on, upstands are re-formed and re-terminated, corners and outlets are made afresh in the new material. Since the perimeter is where flat roofs actually leak, an overlay that leaves the old trims and the old sealant in place has saved money on the field of the roof and spent nothing at all on the part that matters.

It is worth understanding what that means for comparing quotations. Two firms can both be offering an overlay and be offering quite different work, one of them re-forming every detail in new material and the other bonding a sheet up to the existing trim. The rubber roofing page describes what a full detail set involves.

Rolling an EPDM membrane out across a prepared deck, adhesive and roller to hand

Image above is for illustration purposes only.

What You Are Really Trading

Set aside the materials for a moment. The genuine difference between the two approaches is not speed or mess, it is knowledge. A strip tells you the condition of every joist, every bearing and every board, and it lets any fault found be dealt with while the roof is open and the work is cheap. An overlay tells you nothing about any of them and commits you to finding out later.

On a sound roof that information is not worth much, which is exactly why an overlay can be the right answer: there was nothing to find. On a roof with a history of leaks, an uncertain deck, a ceiling that has been stained more than once or a covering that has been patched repeatedly, the information is the most valuable thing available and an overlay throws it away in an afternoon.

Our position is unglamorous. Where the conditions genuinely hold we will say so and the work will be smaller. Where they do not, we will say that too, even though it makes the quotation bigger and occasionally loses the job to somebody who did not open anything. If you want an opinion on which of the two your roof is, get in touch — and please do not go up there to prod it in the meantime.

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FAQs

Common Questions

Can a new rubber roof go straight over my old felt?
Only where the felt is firmly bonded across the whole roof, dry underneath, over falls that clear water, and on a deck that is sound. Those four have to be true together rather than mostly true. The way to find out is to cut through in a few places and look, then make the openings good — not to judge it from the surface on a dry afternoon.
How many coverings can a flat roof carry?
Fewer than people hope. Each layer adds weight and height, and height is the limiting factor long before weight is: upstands get shorter, thresholds get tighter and trims run out of adjustment. A roof already carrying more than one old covering is usually at the end of that road, and the honest answer becomes a strip rather than another layer.
Is an overlay just a cheap way of hiding a bad roof?
Not inherently. On a covering that is sound, dry and well drained it is a proportionate piece of work that saves disruption and waste. It becomes a way of hiding a problem when nobody has checked whether those conditions hold, or when they have been checked, found wanting, and the overlay is being offered anyway because it is the cheaper quotation to win.
Does an overlay deal with a roof that ponds?
No. Falls are built into the structure or into the insulation layer, both of which sit below the covering, so laying another membrane over the existing profile reproduces that profile precisely. If anything, the pond ends up marginally deeper. Correcting a fall means re-cutting firrings or laying tapered insulation, and both of those happen with the roof open.
Will an overlay cause condensation problems?
It can, on a cold deck. A membrane is a vapour barrier, so sealing a second one over a build-up that already holds moisture removes the route that moisture had for drying and keeps it against the timber. Where the insulation between the joists is damp, or the ventilation path has been closed off, an overlay makes an existing problem harder to reverse.
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