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Is It the Chimney? Working Out Where the Water Is Getting In

Before anybody quotes for chimney work, it is worth knowing whether the chimney is the source at all. This is how to narrow it down from indoors and from the garden, without going anywhere near the roof.

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The short version
  • Water shows up downhill of where it got in, so the stain is very rarely directly under the hole
  • Driving rain from one quarter points at an upright surface; heavy rain from any direction points at something horizontal being overwhelmed
  • Damp that is present through a dry fortnight is not a roof leak at all
  • The roof space during or just after rain answers more than the roof does
  • Do not go up to look. A stack stands at the highest point of the house, and nothing you can learn up there is worth the fall

Water Does Not Come In Where the Stain Is

A mark on a bedroom ceiling shows where water finally left the structure. It does not show where the water entered it. In between those two points there is underlay, there are battens, there is a rafter and very often a purlin, and every one of those is laid at an angle or runs horizontally across the slope. Water lands somewhere above, soaks into timber, runs along the underside of it until a nail, a knot or a lap interrupts the run, and drips off there.

The practical result is that the entry point sits uphill of the damage, sometimes by a good deal more than a metre, and frequently a little to one side of it as well. Anyone who starts from “the hole must be directly above the wet patch” has already narrowed the search to the wrong part of the roof. It is better to treat the stain as the bottom of a trail and work back up it than to treat it as a target.

A chimney complicates that in one particular way. The stack is at or near the top of the slope, so almost the whole roof below it is downhill of the stack, and water that gets in at the stack can surface a long way from it. The same logic runs the other way, though, and this is the part that is worth holding on to: a stain appearing close to the chimney breast is not automatically the chimney. It is simply the place on that slope where a trail happened to end.

A stack at the end of its jointing — spalled brick, open beds and lifted lead

Image above is for illustration purposes only.

The Candidates, and How Each of Them Behaves

On an ordinary pitched roof there are six realistic sources within a few metres of a stack, and they behave differently enough to be told apart. They are the stack itself; the roof covering, meaning a slipped, cracked or delaminated slate or a tile with a broken nib; a valley where two slopes meet; a roof window; the wall of the house below the roof line; and water that is not weather at all, such as a cold-water tank, a pipe, a blocked gutter or condensation forming in the roof space.

A fault in the covering usually shows as one small spot that appears in any rain heavy enough to run, regardless of wind direction, and it stays in exactly the same place every time. A valley behaves quite differently, because a valley is carrying the water off two slopes at once. Valley trouble tends to want volume rather than wind, shows during long steady rain, and leaves a stain that is long and narrow and lines up with the valley rather than with the stack. A roof window most often shows at the top corners or along the head, and on a cold morning the water on the frame may well not be a leak at all.

Rain driven into the wall below the roof line is the one that gets mistaken for a chimney most often, because it can wet the same chimney breast. The signature is that it shows on an outside wall on more than one floor, it is worst on the face that takes the weather, and there is nothing wet in the roof space above it. And then there is the group that has nothing to do with rain: an overflowing tank, a weeping joint, a gutter that has filled with moss and is tipping water down the wall in every shower, or warm damp air condensing on cold underlay. If the ceiling is wet at the end of a dry fortnight, the roof covering is not the thing to be looking at.

What the Weather Is Telling You

Keep a note for a few weeks. The date, whether it rained, roughly how hard, and which way the wind was blowing, which you can take off a forecast page after the event if you did not notice at the time. That record is the single most useful piece of evidence in the whole business, and it is the one piece that nobody but the householder can collect, because it has to be gathered over time rather than in an hour on a Tuesday.

Read it three ways. If the damp only follows rain driven hard from one particular quarter, the water is going into an upright surface facing that way, and on a house in this part of the world that is usually something facing south-west. An exposed face of a stack qualifies; so does a gable, and so does a bare brick wall. If it follows heavy rain from any direction at all, look instead at something horizontal that is being asked to carry more than it can — a valley, a gutter, a flat area, a blocked outlet.

Then read the timing. Water that appears within an hour has taken a short and fairly open route, which usually means a gap in the covering. Water that appears half a day or a day afterwards has come through something absorbent, and masonry is the obvious candidate. A patch that goes on darkening for two days after the rain has stopped is brickwork releasing what it soaked up. And damp that is there irrespective of the weather is a different subject altogether, which is dealt with in damp on a chimney breast.

What You Can Check From Inside the House

The roof space is where most of this gets settled, and it is the one place a householder can look properly and safely. Pick a wet day or the hour after heavy rain, take a good torch, and give your eyes a minute to adjust before you decide there is nothing to see. Do not climb onto the roof and do not put a ladder up the front of the house to get a closer look at the stack. A chimney stands at the highest and least forgiving point on a building, and there is nothing visible from up there that justifies the risk of getting there.

Inside, find where the chimney breast passes up through the roof space and look at the brickwork itself. A dark band across the courses, a white or fluffy bloom, or a wet trail running down one face are all worth noting, and so is which face they are on. Then look at what surrounds it: underlay that is perished or sagging with water in the fold, rusted nails, dark staining down a rafter, or a line of daylight. Follow any wet timber upwards to the highest point that is still wet and mark that spot with chalk or a strip of tape, because it is far more informative than the ceiling stain below.

Two other things are worth separating while you are up there. Water lying on top of the insulation has arrived from above; water on the underside of a rafter has run along it from somewhere else. And if there is a tank, look at it, look at its overflow, and look at the boards underneath it, because a slow tank leak imitates a roof leak convincingly and costs nothing to rule out. Photograph what you find with the flash on and note where you were standing when you took it. If the loft is boarded out or converted, none of this is available to you, and that is worth saying when you ring somebody.

New lead at the base of a stack — a front apron across the downhill face and a stepped flashing dressed down the side

Photograph of our own work.

Putting It Together Before You Ring Anybody

Three pieces of information turn a vague call into a plan: where the damp shows and when it first appeared, what sort of weather brings it on, and what the roof space looks like while it is happening. With those three, whoever comes out starts from a shortlist instead of starting from scratch, and you are far less likely to pay for work on a part of the roof that was never the problem.

Add photographs from the garden. Stand well back, zoom in on the stack, take it from two different directions, and take the roof around it as well as the stack itself. There is a separate piece on what is actually visible from down there and how to get a usable picture — see what to look for on a chimney from the ground — and it is worth doing before anyone arrives rather than after.

If the evidence does point at the stack, the next question is which part of it, and the usual answer is either the mortar or the lead at the roof junction. Those are covered in lead flashing or a cement fillet and repointing a chimney. If it points somewhere else, that is a result too: slipped slates, valleys and storm damage sit under roof repairs, and a leak around a roof window belongs with roof window work. Ruling the chimney out is every bit as useful as ruling it in.

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FAQs

Common Questions

The damp only appears when it rains hard from one direction. What does that mean?
It means the water is going into a surface that faces that way, and that the surface is upright rather than flat. On a roof the candidates are the weather face of the stack, a gable, or a wall under the eaves. Wind-driven rain behaves like a hose held sideways, so it finds open joints and gaps that ordinary vertical rain runs straight past without ever entering.
The stain is nearly two metres away from the chimney. Can the stack still be the cause?
Easily. Water that gets in at a stack runs down the underside of the underlay or along a rafter until something stops it, and the whole slope below the chimney is downhill of the entry point. Distance across the ceiling tells you very little on its own. What tells you more is the highest wet point you can find in the roof space, traced back upwards from the stain rather than down from it.
Could a wet chimney breast be condensation rather than a leak?
It often is, and it is one of the three usual explanations for a damp breast along with a genuine leak from above and salts left in the brickwork by years of burning. The quick test is the weather. A leak tracks rainfall and dries back between spells; condensation is at its worst in a cold snap with the heating running, and is perfectly capable of appearing in a dry week.
How do I check any of this without going on the roof?
From the roof space with a torch during or just after rain, from an upstairs window, and from as far back in the garden as you can get with binoculars or a zoomed phone camera. That covers the great majority of what a householder needs. Do not put a ladder up to a chimney to look closer. It is the highest point of the building and the least sensible place to be standing.
If it turns out not to be the chimney, who deals with it?
It depends what it is. Slipped or cracked coverings, valleys, ridges and storm damage are ordinary roof repairs. A leak at a roof window is its own job. Wind-driven rain soaking into a solid wall is a wall problem rather than a roof one, and a leaking tank or pipe belongs to a plumber. Working out which of those it is before anyone quotes saves a good deal of money.
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